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		<title>By: Yvette</title>
		<link>http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/11001/comment-page-1#comment-220378</link>
		<dc:creator>Yvette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 21:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with Fairey using the photo for the Obama poster is that it automatically took away any ability and rights for the photographer to be able to use that same photo as art on a poster and to sell it as  a poster. If it was legal for all of us to use any photo we wanted to base our artwork on, we would all be recreating an image from famous artworks and photographs and trying to sell them because we can. This is why it is not &#039;fair use&#039; and not legal to do done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with Fairey using the photo for the Obama poster is that it automatically took away any ability and rights for the photographer to be able to use that same photo as art on a poster and to sell it as  a poster. If it was legal for all of us to use any photo we wanted to base our artwork on, we would all be recreating an image from famous artworks and photographs and trying to sell them because we can. This is why it is not &#8216;fair use&#8217; and not legal to do done.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean S.</title>
		<link>http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/11001/comment-page-1#comment-66562</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 05:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If Marcel Duchamp can take a urinal, turn it upside down, and call it a fountain, so that I can view it at the Philadelphia Museum of Art, than Shepherd Fairey can reference other forms of art in an entirely hand made work.&quot;

People who reference Duchamp when defending Fairey are willfully ignorant. When Duchamp (who in fact, actually made many of his supposed readymades) unveiled them, they were mocking the pretentiousness of art. Compare this to Fairey, who labels his bullshit artwork a &quot;lesson in phenomenology&quot;, and then acts in all seriousness like a fucking Andre the Giant face on a dollar bill is &quot;serious artwork&quot;. When people started to come up with highfaluting critique son what Duchamps urinals meant, he fled the art world and moved first to installation pieces, and finally out of it completely, dedicating the rest of his life mostly to chess.

In fact, this is part of the reason why Lichtenstein and Warhol&#039;s later works went down hill; they started to buy the bullshit people said about them. By the 80&#039;s Warhol sincerely believed that the shallowness he once ostensibly mocked, was the raison d&#039;tiere of life. He even published a ridiculous gossip magazine mostly about him and others in the NY party scene in an attempt to prove his own immortal words, that forever haunted him, &quot;that everyone will have their 15 minutes of fame&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If Marcel Duchamp can take a urinal, turn it upside down, and call it a fountain, so that I can view it at the Philadelphia Museum of Art, than Shepherd Fairey can reference other forms of art in an entirely hand made work.&#8221;</p>
<p>People who reference Duchamp when defending Fairey are willfully ignorant. When Duchamp (who in fact, actually made many of his supposed readymades) unveiled them, they were mocking the pretentiousness of art. Compare this to Fairey, who labels his bullshit artwork a &#8220;lesson in phenomenology&#8221;, and then acts in all seriousness like a fucking Andre the Giant face on a dollar bill is &#8220;serious artwork&#8221;. When people started to come up with highfaluting critique son what Duchamps urinals meant, he fled the art world and moved first to installation pieces, and finally out of it completely, dedicating the rest of his life mostly to chess.</p>
<p>In fact, this is part of the reason why Lichtenstein and Warhol&#8217;s later works went down hill; they started to buy the bullshit people said about them. By the 80&#8242;s Warhol sincerely believed that the shallowness he once ostensibly mocked, was the raison d&#8217;tiere of life. He even published a ridiculous gossip magazine mostly about him and others in the NY party scene in an attempt to prove his own immortal words, that forever haunted him, &#8220;that everyone will have their 15 minutes of fame&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Bornyesterday</title>
		<link>http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/11001/comment-page-1#comment-53441</link>
		<dc:creator>Bornyesterday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 00:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BY:

Did you get permission to post this art? lolzords, 

MF:

&quot;i&#039;m not making a profit from it&quot;

BY:

sorry, i apologize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BY:</p>
<p>Did you get permission to post this art? lolzords, </p>
<p>MF:</p>
<p>&#8220;i&#8217;m not making a profit from it&#8221;</p>
<p>BY:</p>
<p>sorry, i apologize.</p>
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		<title>By: jln</title>
		<link>http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/11001/comment-page-1#comment-48360</link>
		<dc:creator>jln</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 00:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Says: &quot;The act of creation, regardless of medium, is an act of individual will&quot;

It&#039;s so 19th century !!! So romantic, as in the romantic movement. I don&#039;t blame you as it&#039;s still a widely shared view on what an author is.

The thing is, &quot;individual will&quot; is probably the worst part in creation. Most of our individual wills are mundane, dull.


Accidents, chance, inspiration, subconsciousness, contradictions, amorality, desires, external constraints are a major part of creation.

And, youknow, you can will as you want, but you never really know WHAT is willing through you when you will... do you?

&quot;This is HIGHLY UNETHICAL&quot;

Well, it probably is unethical. But I&#039;m not sure ethic as something to do with the quality of any artwork. It doesn&#039;t seems like a factor in assessing if something is sucessful as an artwork.

For that matter, a lot of artwork from the past centuries and decades is and was sexist, for example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Says: &#8220;The act of creation, regardless of medium, is an act of individual will&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s so 19th century !!! So romantic, as in the romantic movement. I don&#8217;t blame you as it&#8217;s still a widely shared view on what an author is.</p>
<p>The thing is, &#8220;individual will&#8221; is probably the worst part in creation. Most of our individual wills are mundane, dull.</p>
<p>Accidents, chance, inspiration, subconsciousness, contradictions, amorality, desires, external constraints are a major part of creation.</p>
<p>And, youknow, you can will as you want, but you never really know WHAT is willing through you when you will&#8230; do you?</p>
<p>&#8220;This is HIGHLY UNETHICAL&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, it probably is unethical. But I&#8217;m not sure ethic as something to do with the quality of any artwork. It doesn&#8217;t seems like a factor in assessing if something is sucessful as an artwork.</p>
<p>For that matter, a lot of artwork from the past centuries and decades is and was sexist, for example.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/11001/comment-page-1#comment-47499</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 17:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Allyson, I have to say I&#039;m pretty disturbed by your position.  To say that musicians and writers don&#039;t create is absurd on its face.  Frankly the entire concept of a &quot;note&quot; in modern music (especially in a digital, electronic world) is outdated, but that&#039;s for another discussion.

The act of creation, regardless of medium, is an act of individual will.  It requires the creator to have a vocabulary to work with, whether words, gestures, symbols, etc.  Sometimes it can be a fine line between using fair use and plagiarism, and we all know that; sometimes things are gray.   

Fairey is profiting off of the historical misery of others.  Many of the images come from marginalized peoples or radicalized political movements; these people are highly unlikely to sue for copyright infringement, and Fairey knows this, and in fact counts on it.  But he takes these images and uses them, often line for line, without crediting the original creators.  This is HIGHLY UNETHICAL, and robs the audience of an additional layer of meaning to the pieces.  

Allyson, this is where your analogy falls down.  If Fairey were using a single image (of, say, a gun) as part of a larger composition, people probably wouldn&#039;t have such an issue.  But he uses whole swaths of other people&#039;s imagery, and often makes it the center of his pieces.

Of course there are issues of law and copyright at work here, but ultimately I feel sorry for Fairey; he takes meaningful images and leaves them meaningless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allyson, I have to say I&#8217;m pretty disturbed by your position.  To say that musicians and writers don&#8217;t create is absurd on its face.  Frankly the entire concept of a &#8220;note&#8221; in modern music (especially in a digital, electronic world) is outdated, but that&#8217;s for another discussion.</p>
<p>The act of creation, regardless of medium, is an act of individual will.  It requires the creator to have a vocabulary to work with, whether words, gestures, symbols, etc.  Sometimes it can be a fine line between using fair use and plagiarism, and we all know that; sometimes things are gray.   </p>
<p>Fairey is profiting off of the historical misery of others.  Many of the images come from marginalized peoples or radicalized political movements; these people are highly unlikely to sue for copyright infringement, and Fairey knows this, and in fact counts on it.  But he takes these images and uses them, often line for line, without crediting the original creators.  This is HIGHLY UNETHICAL, and robs the audience of an additional layer of meaning to the pieces.  </p>
<p>Allyson, this is where your analogy falls down.  If Fairey were using a single image (of, say, a gun) as part of a larger composition, people probably wouldn&#8217;t have such an issue.  But he uses whole swaths of other people&#8217;s imagery, and often makes it the center of his pieces.</p>
<p>Of course there are issues of law and copyright at work here, but ultimately I feel sorry for Fairey; he takes meaningful images and leaves them meaningless.</p>
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		<title>By: Alice</title>
		<link>http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/11001/comment-page-1#comment-47495</link>
		<dc:creator>Alice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 17:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to all who contributed, even the closed minded.  All together, the comments clearly demonstrate what Shepard Fairey is trying to do and succeeding.  Even things that annoy cause us to think.  Anything that causes us to think and opine is better than parroting what others say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to all who contributed, even the closed minded.  All together, the comments clearly demonstrate what Shepard Fairey is trying to do and succeeding.  Even things that annoy cause us to think.  Anything that causes us to think and opine is better than parroting what others say.</p>
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		<title>By: buu</title>
		<link>http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/11001/comment-page-1#comment-47493</link>
		<dc:creator>buu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well, i think its safe to say that for the past century or so art has basically been saying &quot;f the rules&quot; and to an extent, &quot;f the law&quot;, especially fairey who made his name by wheat pasting posters and spray painting stencils.
and i think rap/hip hop is totally applicable in this conversation. fairey is taking parts of something and reappropriating them to create something different (whether its different enough i guess is in the eye of the beholder) much like a producer/dj takes samples and reappropriates them into something new.
i dont think that everyone that heard, say, kanye west&#039;s song &quot;stronger&quot; knew that that was a daft punk song sampled, and to be honest im sure a lot of people still dont know that its a daft punk song, nor do i think they care. im not saying thats right, but im saying i think that such practices are so prevalent these days that i dont think people think twice about it anymore. 
and from there look at the remix/mix tape industry, which is basically guys taking other guys&#039; beats and doing their own song over it, most of the time not giving the proper credits in the liner notes. you know the song, you know the beat, but hearing someone else rap over it has made it different and sometimes a little more interesting.
and just to throw this out there, what are peoples&#039; thoughts on generic brands? payless shoes is stocked full of shoes that look like other brands of shoes. does a shoe that looks exactly like an adidas racing shoe not considered a copy because it has 1 more stripe?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, i think its safe to say that for the past century or so art has basically been saying &#8220;f the rules&#8221; and to an extent, &#8220;f the law&#8221;, especially fairey who made his name by wheat pasting posters and spray painting stencils.<br />
and i think rap/hip hop is totally applicable in this conversation. fairey is taking parts of something and reappropriating them to create something different (whether its different enough i guess is in the eye of the beholder) much like a producer/dj takes samples and reappropriates them into something new.<br />
i dont think that everyone that heard, say, kanye west&#8217;s song &#8220;stronger&#8221; knew that that was a daft punk song sampled, and to be honest im sure a lot of people still dont know that its a daft punk song, nor do i think they care. im not saying thats right, but im saying i think that such practices are so prevalent these days that i dont think people think twice about it anymore.<br />
and from there look at the remix/mix tape industry, which is basically guys taking other guys&#8217; beats and doing their own song over it, most of the time not giving the proper credits in the liner notes. you know the song, you know the beat, but hearing someone else rap over it has made it different and sometimes a little more interesting.<br />
and just to throw this out there, what are peoples&#8217; thoughts on generic brands? payless shoes is stocked full of shoes that look like other brands of shoes. does a shoe that looks exactly like an adidas racing shoe not considered a copy because it has 1 more stripe?</p>
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		<title>By: Proudgamer (MatthewB)</title>
		<link>http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/11001/comment-page-1#comment-47477</link>
		<dc:creator>Proudgamer (MatthewB)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Profiting off of other people&#039;s copywrights is against the law.  Don&#039;t like it?  Then fight to change the law. . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Profiting off of other people&#8217;s copywrights is against the law.  Don&#8217;t like it?  Then fight to change the law. . .</p>
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		<title>By: LorinJuliet</title>
		<link>http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/11001/comment-page-1#comment-47433</link>
		<dc:creator>LorinJuliet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 13:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is one of my favorite posts and comment threads ever!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is one of my favorite posts and comment threads ever!</p>
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		<title>By: Greg VA</title>
		<link>http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/11001/comment-page-1#comment-47406</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg VA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 04:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Art is Art.
Law is law.
Two subjects that should remain as far from each other as we can possibly keep them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art is Art.<br />
Law is law.<br />
Two subjects that should remain as far from each other as we can possibly keep them.</p>
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