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	<title>Comments on: Debunking Etymological Myths</title>
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		<title>By: Pile of Pooh</title>
		<link>http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/14690/comment-page-1#comment-402241</link>
		<dc:creator>Pile of Pooh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2010 21:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This entire article -- and most especially the last item -- comes across as &quot;I&#039;m smarter than you, so don&#039;t even think about arguing with me.&quot;

A bit of advice, Patty: if you&#039;re going to start machine-gunning sacred cows, be prepared to replace them.  You offer a lot of criticism and snarky commentary, yet almost nothing in the way of original hypotheses.  I realize this is an entertainment site rather than a professional journal, but it likes to masquerade as infotainment.  Try to hit one or the other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This entire article &#8212; and most especially the last item &#8212; comes across as &#8220;I&#8217;m smarter than you, so don&#8217;t even think about arguing with me.&#8221;</p>
<p>A bit of advice, Patty: if you&#8217;re going to start machine-gunning sacred cows, be prepared to replace them.  You offer a lot of criticism and snarky commentary, yet almost nothing in the way of original hypotheses.  I realize this is an entertainment site rather than a professional journal, but it likes to masquerade as infotainment.  Try to hit one or the other.</p>
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		<title>By: doubled</title>
		<link>http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/14690/comment-page-1#comment-399513</link>
		<dc:creator>doubled</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 19:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He was so envious that after drinking 6 beer(s) he snuck a nine yard crap in the jeep.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He was so envious that after drinking 6 beer(s) he snuck a nine yard crap in the jeep.</p>
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		<title>By: crocostimpy</title>
		<link>http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/14690/comment-page-1#comment-399481</link>
		<dc:creator>crocostimpy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 17:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@magicboy - &quot;I drank 6 beer at the party.&quot;  Nah, not gonna happen.  That just sounds dumb.  : )

@sam - How come somebody always has to drag politics into absolutely everything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@magicboy &#8211; &#8220;I drank 6 beer at the party.&#8221;  Nah, not gonna happen.  That just sounds dumb.  : )</p>
<p>@sam &#8211; How come somebody always has to drag politics into absolutely everything.</p>
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		<title>By: PartiallyDeflected</title>
		<link>http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/14690/comment-page-1#comment-399474</link>
		<dc:creator>PartiallyDeflected</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 17:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The grammar error I see at least 10 times a week that really aggravates me: &quot;I&#039;m so jealous!&quot;  No, you&#039;re not.  You&#039;re envious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The grammar error I see at least 10 times a week that really aggravates me: &#8220;I&#8217;m so jealous!&#8221;  No, you&#8217;re not.  You&#8217;re envious.</p>
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		<title>By: xanderjones</title>
		<link>http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/14690/comment-page-1#comment-399468</link>
		<dc:creator>xanderjones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 16:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Whole Nine Yards came from a Matthew Perry movie...

or football.  That&#039;s it.  That&#039;s what I&#039;m choosing to believe.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Whole Nine Yards came from a Matthew Perry movie&#8230;</p>
<p>or football.  That&#8217;s it.  That&#8217;s what I&#8217;m choosing to believe.  :)</p>
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		<title>By: J P Maher</title>
		<link>http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/14690/comment-page-1#comment-75125</link>
		<dc:creator>J P Maher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 15:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>missed my Q

j p maher</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>missed my Q</p>
<p>j p maher</p>
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		<title>By: J P Maher</title>
		<link>http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/14690/comment-page-1#comment-74891</link>
		<dc:creator>J P Maher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 17:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Never before WW I is there any record of a verb &#039;to crap&#039;.&quot; This means &quot;no FINITE VERB&quot;, i.e. verbal forms with subject pronouns and tense mark -- present, past. Gerunds and gerundives --non-finite forms in &quot;-ing&quot; -- do NOT count since these are as often (and historically earlier) from nouns, as well as from verbs: e.g. &quot;housing, water-boarding,Googling, surfing, &quot;cowling, fairing, railing...&quot;. Here the &quot;-ing&quot; words are first formed form nouns and subsequently the corresponding verb is created.

Oxford English Dictionary and others are deeply flawed in citing &quot;-ing&quot; forms as verbal. In any case a dictionary is not a primary source. 

A primary source from the very era in which Thos. Crapper Co. Valveless Waste Preventers were cleaning up was discovered by the world&#039;s supreme Crapper expert, Ken Grabowski of Chicago:

Headline in The Washington Post of July 6, 1894: &quot;BAGGED -A NEST OF CRAPPERS&quot;. The &quot;crappers&quot; here are gamblers,  crap-shooters.  

No one had yet uttered &quot;went to the Crapper and crapped there&quot;.

Thomas Crapper must be restored to the Pantheon of Eponymy, alongside Bloomer and Blazer. This goes for General Joe Hooker&quot;, too. Copy-cat Mavens, Word Smiths, and Netymologists have not done their homework and should be exposed as wuacks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Never before WW I is there any record of a verb &#8216;to crap&#8217;.&#8221; This means &#8220;no FINITE VERB&#8221;, i.e. verbal forms with subject pronouns and tense mark &#8212; present, past. Gerunds and gerundives &#8211;non-finite forms in &#8220;-ing&#8221; &#8212; do NOT count since these are as often (and historically earlier) from nouns, as well as from verbs: e.g. &#8220;housing, water-boarding,Googling, surfing, &#8220;cowling, fairing, railing&#8230;&#8221;. Here the &#8220;-ing&#8221; words are first formed form nouns and subsequently the corresponding verb is created.</p>
<p>Oxford English Dictionary and others are deeply flawed in citing &#8220;-ing&#8221; forms as verbal. In any case a dictionary is not a primary source. </p>
<p>A primary source from the very era in which Thos. Crapper Co. Valveless Waste Preventers were cleaning up was discovered by the world&#8217;s supreme Crapper expert, Ken Grabowski of Chicago:</p>
<p>Headline in The Washington Post of July 6, 1894: &#8220;BAGGED -A NEST OF CRAPPERS&#8221;. The &#8220;crappers&#8221; here are gamblers,  crap-shooters.  </p>
<p>No one had yet uttered &#8220;went to the Crapper and crapped there&#8221;.</p>
<p>Thomas Crapper must be restored to the Pantheon of Eponymy, alongside Bloomer and Blazer. This goes for General Joe Hooker&#8221;, too. Copy-cat Mavens, Word Smiths, and Netymologists have not done their homework and should be exposed as wuacks.</p>
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		<title>By: J. P. Maher</title>
		<link>http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/14690/comment-page-1#comment-73894</link>
		<dc:creator>J. P. Maher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 21:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re â€œcaesareanâ€: the Latin words are not &quot;caeso &amp; caedare&quot; &#039;cut, but &quot;caedo / caedere&quot;,  perfect participle &quot;caesus&quot;. The moniker &quot;Pompeis&quot; [sic] should be &quot;Pompeius&quot;.

Re Crapper.  Single &quot;inventors&quot; are all inventions, since every &quot;invention&quot; is but a point in a long series of innovations and improvements, most of them anonymous. The plumbing entrepreneur Thomas Crapper of course was not the inventor of the flush toilet. Many &quot;inventors&quot; preceded him,  but his Yorkshire surname DID provide the basis for the back formation (pardon) &quot;to crap, crapped&quot;. If a word for defecation &quot;to crap&quot; had been in circulation in Victoria&#039;s England, never would it have been allowed to cast iron water jackets emblazoned &quot;CRAPPER&#039;S  Water Waste Preventer...&quot;. The manufacturer&#039;s name &quot;CRAPPER&quot; can be seen on a man (pardon) hole cover at Westminster Abbey. Never before WW I is there any record of a verb &quot;to crap&quot;. The first attestations are in graffiti recorded by Allen Walker Read in the 1930s, hardly a dozen years after Armistice Day, and in WW I veterans&#039; books. 
The 1840s phrase &quot;crapping ken&quot; has been totally misunderstood by the word mavens and wordsmiths. It was not a reference to a WC. After all a &quot;water closet&quot; is an inside job, not an outhouse. This is itself an Americanism; in Britain an &quot;outhouse&quot; is simply an outbuilding, no value added. The &quot;crapping ken&quot; of humorous literature was a facetious circumlocution for a little house (ken) in the garden, to which gentle folk retired to &quot;pluck a rose&quot; (J. Swift) or a handful of user-friendly, biodegradable grass -- a CROP (south English) or CRAP (north English  and Scotch language. (&quot;Scots&quot; is the Scottish language form.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re â€œcaesareanâ€: the Latin words are not &#8220;caeso &amp; caedare&#8221; &#8216;cut, but &#8220;caedo / caedere&#8221;,  perfect participle &#8220;caesus&#8221;. The moniker &#8220;Pompeis&#8221; [sic] should be &#8220;Pompeius&#8221;.</p>
<p>Re Crapper.  Single &#8220;inventors&#8221; are all inventions, since every &#8220;invention&#8221; is but a point in a long series of innovations and improvements, most of them anonymous. The plumbing entrepreneur Thomas Crapper of course was not the inventor of the flush toilet. Many &#8220;inventors&#8221; preceded him,  but his Yorkshire surname DID provide the basis for the back formation (pardon) &#8220;to crap, crapped&#8221;. If a word for defecation &#8220;to crap&#8221; had been in circulation in Victoria&#8217;s England, never would it have been allowed to cast iron water jackets emblazoned &#8220;CRAPPER&#8217;S  Water Waste Preventer&#8230;&#8221;. The manufacturer&#8217;s name &#8220;CRAPPER&#8221; can be seen on a man (pardon) hole cover at Westminster Abbey. Never before WW I is there any record of a verb &#8220;to crap&#8221;. The first attestations are in graffiti recorded by Allen Walker Read in the 1930s, hardly a dozen years after Armistice Day, and in WW I veterans&#8217; books.<br />
The 1840s phrase &#8220;crapping ken&#8221; has been totally misunderstood by the word mavens and wordsmiths. It was not a reference to a WC. After all a &#8220;water closet&#8221; is an inside job, not an outhouse. This is itself an Americanism; in Britain an &#8220;outhouse&#8221; is simply an outbuilding, no value added. The &#8220;crapping ken&#8221; of humorous literature was a facetious circumlocution for a little house (ken) in the garden, to which gentle folk retired to &#8220;pluck a rose&#8221; (J. Swift) or a handful of user-friendly, biodegradable grass &#8212; a CROP (south English) or CRAP (north English  and Scotch language. (&#8220;Scots&#8221; is the Scottish language form.)</p>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 21:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had heard that &quot;the whole nine yards&quot; came from the length of trains on wedding dresses--the longer the train, the fancier the person. Royalty would get the full-length train, nine yards in length. 

This is late, and I&#039;m sure no one will notice, but I feel like sharing. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had heard that &#8220;the whole nine yards&#8221; came from the length of trains on wedding dresses&#8211;the longer the train, the fancier the person. Royalty would get the full-length train, nine yards in length. </p>
<p>This is late, and I&#8217;m sure no one will notice, but I feel like sharing. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Kathe</title>
		<link>http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/14690/comment-page-1#comment-72802</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 18:15:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Witty Nickname--
There are several possible answers to this question. The one that makes the most sense to me is: Here comes President Bush and former President Bush. 
Or: Here comes former President Bush and his son, President Bush.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Witty Nickname&#8211;<br />
There are several possible answers to this question. The one that makes the most sense to me is: Here comes President Bush and former President Bush.<br />
Or: Here comes former President Bush and his son, President Bush.</p>
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