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		<title>By: Joi</title>
		<link>http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/20422/comment-page-1#comment-111676</link>
		<dc:creator>Joi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 16:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick, you took the words out of my gaping mouth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick, you took the words out of my gaping mouth.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No worries at all, Mike. It is really a tricky scoring system.

And, admittedly, I&#039;ve made some errors in Brain Games past. In all honesty, it tickles me to have such a bright audience that challenges these sorts of things. I&#039;ve learned a lot with these!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No worries at all, Mike. It is really a tricky scoring system.</p>
<p>And, admittedly, I&#8217;ve made some errors in Brain Games past. In all honesty, it tickles me to have such a bright audience that challenges these sorts of things. I&#8217;ve learned a lot with these!</p>
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		<title>By: --Mike.</title>
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		<dc:creator>--Mike.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sandy, I stand corrected.  I had to map it out on a piece of paper (wasn&#039;t pretty) but it turns out that you&#039;re right.  The gutterball has to happen on the first shot, not the last.  Apparently, I didn&#039;t carry the math out far enough.

Sorry &#039;bout that....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sandy, I stand corrected.  I had to map it out on a piece of paper (wasn&#8217;t pretty) but it turns out that you&#8217;re right.  The gutterball has to happen on the first shot, not the last.  Apparently, I didn&#8217;t carry the math out far enough.</p>
<p>Sorry &#8217;bout that&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: capnmariam</title>
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		<dc:creator>capnmariam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 23:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel like the phrasing 

 &quot;even though he threw one nasty gutter ball and didnâ€™t bowl _a single strike_ the whole match.&quot; 

is conducive to the &quot;yes, because he threw more than one strike&quot; ploy as per what Lore Sjoberg would call &quot;the misunderstood word puzzles&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel like the phrasing </p>
<p> &#8220;even though he threw one nasty gutter ball and didnâ€™t bowl _a single strike_ the whole match.&#8221; </p>
<p>is conducive to the &#8220;yes, because he threw more than one strike&#8221; ploy as per what Lore Sjoberg would call &#8220;the misunderstood word puzzles&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 05:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, Mike is right.  That first frame doesn&#039;t matter a lick how he gets the spare.  He&#039;s pick up nine points for it anyway if he knocked down nine on the first throw of the second frame.

1   2
0/  9/
19

1   2
9/  9/
19

completing the second through tenth frame in the same way would leave him with 181 and one bonus roll for picking up the spare.  Nine more would be 190.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Mike is right.  That first frame doesn&#8217;t matter a lick how he gets the spare.  He&#8217;s pick up nine points for it anyway if he knocked down nine on the first throw of the second frame.</p>
<p>1   2<br />
0/  9/<br />
19</p>
<p>1   2<br />
9/  9/<br />
19</p>
<p>completing the second through tenth frame in the same way would leave him with 181 and one bonus roll for picking up the spare.  Nine more would be 190.</p>
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		<title>By: rocket surgeon</title>
		<link>http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/20422/comment-page-1#comment-108622</link>
		<dc:creator>rocket surgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It made sense until Mike and Kurt chimed in.  Now my brain hurts...

that could be from the 8 shots of Yeager I had at breakfast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It made sense until Mike and Kurt chimed in.  Now my brain hurts&#8230;</p>
<p>that could be from the 8 shots of Yeager I had at breakfast.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is why I only bowl at places that keep the score for me....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is why I only bowl at places that keep the score for me&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Stew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Until you actually score the game it seems like Sandy might be wrong.  However he is right.  

Now that most alleys automatically score the game, I think most people don&#039;t know how to keep score.  I think people get very dependent on the computer.  Similarly, now that I play solitaire on the computer, I have forgotten how to set up the game with real cards.

My first computer program in High School was to score bowling given the number of pins knocked down on each throw.  Quite a simple first program.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Until you actually score the game it seems like Sandy might be wrong.  However he is right.  </p>
<p>Now that most alleys automatically score the game, I think most people don&#8217;t know how to keep score.  I think people get very dependent on the computer.  Similarly, now that I play solitaire on the computer, I have forgotten how to set up the game with real cards.</p>
<p>My first computer program in High School was to score bowling given the number of pins knocked down on each throw.  Quite a simple first program.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My, what have I gotten myself into? :)

Here&#039;s the breakdown:

/ means spare

FRAME SCORE DETAILS
1Â Â Â &#160;&#160;&#160;0/ &#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;spare(10)+next ball(9)= 19
2 &#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;9/ &#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;spare(10)+next ball(9)= 19
3 &#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;9/ &#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;spare(10)+next ball(9)= 19
4Â &#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;9/ &#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;spare(10)+next ball(9)= 19
5Â &#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;9/ &#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;spare(10)+next ball(9)= 19
6Â &#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;9/ &#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;spare(10)+next ball(9)= 19
7Â &#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;9/ &#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;spare(10)+next ball(9)= 19
8Â &#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;9/ &#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;spare(10)+next ball(9)= 19
9Â &#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;9/ &#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;spare(10)+next ball(9)= 19
10Â &#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;9/ &#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;spare(10)+final ball(9)= 19

If the gutter ball (the zero) were scored anywhere OTHER than on the very first ball, it would mess up the scoring. The only reason it doesn&#039;t matter on the first frame is that the score on the first ball is NOT added to the score of a previous frame. So it doesn&#039;t matter how he gets the spare on the first frame -- it could be 0+10, 1+9, 2+8, whatever. But since we know he threw ONE gutter ball, the only way that could happen is if he threw 0+10 on the first frame (gutter ball, then a spare).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My, what have I gotten myself into? :)</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the breakdown:</p>
<p>/ means spare</p>
<p>FRAME SCORE DETAILS<br />
1Â Â Â &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;0/ &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;spare(10)+next ball(9)= 19<br />
2 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;9/ &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;spare(10)+next ball(9)= 19<br />
3 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;9/ &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;spare(10)+next ball(9)= 19<br />
4Â &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;9/ &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;spare(10)+next ball(9)= 19<br />
5Â &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;9/ &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;spare(10)+next ball(9)= 19<br />
6Â &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;9/ &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;spare(10)+next ball(9)= 19<br />
7Â &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;9/ &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;spare(10)+next ball(9)= 19<br />
8Â &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;9/ &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;spare(10)+next ball(9)= 19<br />
9Â &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;9/ &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;spare(10)+next ball(9)= 19<br />
10Â &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;9/ &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;spare(10)+final ball(9)= 19</p>
<p>If the gutter ball (the zero) were scored anywhere OTHER than on the very first ball, it would mess up the scoring. The only reason it doesn&#8217;t matter on the first frame is that the score on the first ball is NOT added to the score of a previous frame. So it doesn&#8217;t matter how he gets the spare on the first frame &#8212; it could be 0+10, 1+9, 2+8, whatever. But since we know he threw ONE gutter ball, the only way that could happen is if he threw 0+10 on the first frame (gutter ball, then a spare).</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hahaha -- not hardly, Vikter.Â Now you know why they offered this class in college!

If he got the gutter ball anywhere in the match except for the first ball, then he&#039;d miss the &quot;extra&quot; points for that spare. When you score a spare on ANY frame, you get 10 points for that frame plus the value of the next ball you roll (not the next frame, just the next ball).

So if he rolled a 9+1 spare in frame 1, and then a 0 for the first ball of frame 2, he&#039;d only get 10 points for the first frame, not 19. (He&#039;d get the 10 for the spare, but then zero would be added to that because of the gutter ball.)

Then his score would be

10+19+19+19... = 181.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hahaha &#8212; not hardly, Vikter.Â Now you know why they offered this class in college!</p>
<p>If he got the gutter ball anywhere in the match except for the first ball, then he&#8217;d miss the &#8220;extra&#8221; points for that spare. When you score a spare on ANY frame, you get 10 points for that frame plus the value of the next ball you roll (not the next frame, just the next ball).</p>
<p>So if he rolled a 9+1 spare in frame 1, and then a 0 for the first ball of frame 2, he&#8217;d only get 10 points for the first frame, not 19. (He&#8217;d get the 10 for the spare, but then zero would be added to that because of the gutter ball.)</p>
<p>Then his score would be</p>
<p>10+19+19+19&#8230; = 181.</p>
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