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	<title>Comments on: Where the heck are our hydrogen-powered cars?</title>
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		<title>By: JaB</title>
		<link>http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/21862/comment-page-1#comment-447135</link>
		<dc:creator>JaB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jul 2011 04:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You say that until a Hydrogen infrastructure is pushed and built then the cars won&#039;t be rolled out quicker. This is true. BUT, until the cars are there then noone would build the infrastructure. Chicken and egg. If the US financial house were in order this is the sort of thing the federal government could stimulate as a one off - build or subsidize the construction. But no we must keep the individual pet projects of politicians rather than helping us all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You say that until a Hydrogen infrastructure is pushed and built then the cars won&#8217;t be rolled out quicker. This is true. BUT, until the cars are there then noone would build the infrastructure. Chicken and egg. If the US financial house were in order this is the sort of thing the federal government could stimulate as a one off &#8211; build or subsidize the construction. But no we must keep the individual pet projects of politicians rather than helping us all.</p>
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		<title>By: Used Cars</title>
		<link>http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/21862/comment-page-1#comment-241409</link>
		<dc:creator>Used Cars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 23:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for posting this. I&#039;ve started seeing more and more now days on the road and thats a good sign. I live in LA by the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for posting this. I&#8217;ve started seeing more and more now days on the road and thats a good sign. I live in LA by the way.</p>
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		<title>By: Clark</title>
		<link>http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/21862/comment-page-1#comment-149128</link>
		<dc:creator>Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this technology will never see mass production.  The reason: hydrogen has no natural source.  It takes more energy to make a gallon of hydrogen than you can get out of it.  My question is, if you are using some other type of fuel which you need to make the hydrogen to begin with, why not just use that fuel instead of hydrogen in the first place.

Hydrogen is an excellent energy CARRIER, however it&#039;s 100% impractical as an energy SOURCE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this technology will never see mass production.  The reason: hydrogen has no natural source.  It takes more energy to make a gallon of hydrogen than you can get out of it.  My question is, if you are using some other type of fuel which you need to make the hydrogen to begin with, why not just use that fuel instead of hydrogen in the first place.</p>
<p>Hydrogen is an excellent energy CARRIER, however it&#8217;s 100% impractical as an energy SOURCE.</p>
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		<title>By: recession</title>
		<link>http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/21862/comment-page-1#comment-129810</link>
		<dc:creator>recession</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 23:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The point is there are not stations for it so its not going to sell!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point is there are not stations for it so its not going to sell!</p>
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		<title>By: Goldwing Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/21862/comment-page-1#comment-123586</link>
		<dc:creator>Goldwing Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 16:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>no way will hydrogen ever succeed we couldn&#039;t get nuclear to succeed and its essentially the same problem.  sure there is no half-life issue but having giant bombs everywhere is just as  crazy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no way will hydrogen ever succeed we couldn&#8217;t get nuclear to succeed and its essentially the same problem.  sure there is no half-life issue but having giant bombs everywhere is just as  crazy</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/21862/comment-page-1#comment-121610</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 16:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To VMS,

I hope you include yourself in that snide little comment.  Read my above post, Hydrogen is not that explosive in normal atmospheric conditions.  Go look at video of the Hindenburg burning.  It doesn&#039;t disappear in a huge explosion, it burns like a car that has had its gas tank ruptured would.

Now you do have a point with a 10,000psi bottle rupturing, that can cause quite a bang.  But consider that people all the time walk around with bottles of medicinal oxygen at around 2000 psi.  That is a true bomb ready to go off at the slightest spark.  At work we had to attend a safety class for dealing with high pressure oxygen safety.  It can be some scary stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To VMS,</p>
<p>I hope you include yourself in that snide little comment.  Read my above post, Hydrogen is not that explosive in normal atmospheric conditions.  Go look at video of the Hindenburg burning.  It doesn&#8217;t disappear in a huge explosion, it burns like a car that has had its gas tank ruptured would.</p>
<p>Now you do have a point with a 10,000psi bottle rupturing, that can cause quite a bang.  But consider that people all the time walk around with bottles of medicinal oxygen at around 2000 psi.  That is a true bomb ready to go off at the slightest spark.  At work we had to attend a safety class for dealing with high pressure oxygen safety.  It can be some scary stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: jlw</title>
		<link>http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/21862/comment-page-1#comment-121526</link>
		<dc:creator>jlw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 06:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can convert your car or truck to run off of water and gas to double or even triple you gas mileage with the Gas4Free system. I used it and got outstanding results. You can read about my experience with the product and how well it worked for me at: 
www.thegas4free.blogspot.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can convert your car or truck to run off of water and gas to double or even triple you gas mileage with the Gas4Free system. I used it and got outstanding results. You can read about my experience with the product and how well it worked for me at:<br />
<a href="http://www.thegas4free.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.thegas4free.blogspot.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: CVD</title>
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		<dc:creator>CVD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 12:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iceland has implemented a very promising hydrogen fuel program.  I read about it around a year ago.  Their fueling stations do take up a little more space than your traditional gas station.  Might have to take out the chip isle to make room.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iceland has implemented a very promising hydrogen fuel program.  I read about it around a year ago.  Their fueling stations do take up a little more space than your traditional gas station.  Might have to take out the chip isle to make room.</p>
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		<title>By: Wenhao Sun</title>
		<link>http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/21862/comment-page-1#comment-121252</link>
		<dc:creator>Wenhao Sun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 03:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THE main limiting factor in the development of the hydrogen economy is not the infrastructure, or the safety, or even the generation of hydrogen, but rather is the storage of H2 onboard vehicles.

To travel ~300 miles, hydrogen fuel cell vehicles need about 5 kg of H2. At room temperature in its gaseous form, that&#039;s enough to fill up a small room. Compressed at 10,000 psi, the tank will still take up your entire trunk. Liquid H2 is also inefficient, as about 1/3rd of the energy in H2 is spent converting it from gaseous to liquid form, wasting energy and volume.

One of the more promising methods of hydrogen storage is storage in complex metal hydrides - which are solid state alloys that absorb hydrogen at high pressures and release hydrogen at high temperatures (vehicle operation temperatures). These hydrides come in forms like LiBH4 or NH3BH3. The two problems concerning researchers in this field are a.) finding high storage density hydrides that release in the correct temperature window and that b.) release hydrogen fast enough. This is really the bottleneck - once a material is found that satisfies these parameters, the hydrogen revolution will almost inevitably continue. 

A quick reply to the article and other comments: the infrastructure doesn&#039;t exist because hydrogen vehicles are not yet practical. Once the technology is found to make hydrogen vehicles practical and cheap, the infrastructure will come about quite naturally. 

As for hydrogen generation, many interesting renewable methods are being developed to do it via H2O electrolysis with solar power and excess wind-power. But like I said earlier, the driving force right now is still on finding a solution to hydrogen storage, rather than these other things that we will worry about later down the road. 

- I&#039;ve tried posting this two or three times, if there&#039;s a time delay sorry if this comes up several times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THE main limiting factor in the development of the hydrogen economy is not the infrastructure, or the safety, or even the generation of hydrogen, but rather is the storage of H2 onboard vehicles.</p>
<p>To travel ~300 miles, hydrogen fuel cell vehicles need about 5 kg of H2. At room temperature in its gaseous form, that&#8217;s enough to fill up a small room. Compressed at 10,000 psi, the tank will still take up your entire trunk. Liquid H2 is also inefficient, as about 1/3rd of the energy in H2 is spent converting it from gaseous to liquid form, wasting energy and volume.</p>
<p>One of the more promising methods of hydrogen storage is storage in complex metal hydrides &#8211; which are solid state alloys that absorb hydrogen at high pressures and release hydrogen at high temperatures (vehicle operation temperatures). These hydrides come in forms like LiBH4 or NH3BH3. The two problems concerning researchers in this field are a.) finding high storage density hydrides that release in the correct temperature window and that b.) release hydrogen fast enough. This is really the bottleneck &#8211; once a material is found that satisfies these parameters, the hydrogen revolution will almost inevitably continue. </p>
<p>A quick reply to the article and other comments: the infrastructure doesn&#8217;t exist because hydrogen vehicles are not yet practical. Once the technology is found to make hydrogen vehicles practical and cheap, the infrastructure will come about quite naturally. </p>
<p>As for hydrogen generation, many interesting renewable methods are being developed to do it via H2O electrolysis with solar power and excess wind-power. But like I said earlier, the driving force right now is still on finding a solution to hydrogen storage, rather than these other things that we will worry about later down the road. </p>
<p>- I&#8217;ve tried posting this two or three times, if there&#8217;s a time delay sorry if this comes up several times.</p>
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		<title>By: Wenhao Sun</title>
		<link>http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/21862/comment-page-1#comment-121251</link>
		<dc:creator>Wenhao Sun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 02:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THE main limiting factor in the development of the hydrogen economy is not the infrastructure, or the safety, or even the generation of hydrogen, but rather is the storage of H2 onboard vehicles.

To travel ~300 miles, hydrogen fuel cell vehicles need about 5 kg of H2. At room temperature in its gaseous form, that&#039;s enough to fill up a small room. Compressed at 10,000 psi, the tank will still take up your entire trunk, and about 1/3rd of the energy in H2 is spent converting it from gaseous to liquid form. 

One of the more promising methods of hydrogen storage is storage in complex metal hydrides - which are solid state alloys that absorb hydrogen at high pressures and release hydrogen at high temperatures (like vehicle operation temperatures). These hydrides come in forms like LiBH4 or NH3BH3. The two problems concerning researchers in this field are a.) finding high storage density hydrides that release in the correct temperature window and that b.) release hydrogen fast enough. This is really the bottleneck - once a material is found that satisfies these parameters, the hydrogen revolution will almost inevitably continue. 

A quick reply to the article and other comments: the infrastructure doesn&#039;t exist because hydrogen vehicles are not yet practical. Once the technology is found to make hydrogen vehicles practical and cheap, the infrastructure will come about quite naturally. 

As for hydrogen generation, many interesting renewable methods are being developed to do it via H2O electrolysis with solar power and excess wind-power. But like I said earlier, the driving force right now is still on finding a solution to hydrogen storage, rather than these other things that we will worry about later down the road.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THE main limiting factor in the development of the hydrogen economy is not the infrastructure, or the safety, or even the generation of hydrogen, but rather is the storage of H2 onboard vehicles.</p>
<p>To travel ~300 miles, hydrogen fuel cell vehicles need about 5 kg of H2. At room temperature in its gaseous form, that&#8217;s enough to fill up a small room. Compressed at 10,000 psi, the tank will still take up your entire trunk, and about 1/3rd of the energy in H2 is spent converting it from gaseous to liquid form. </p>
<p>One of the more promising methods of hydrogen storage is storage in complex metal hydrides &#8211; which are solid state alloys that absorb hydrogen at high pressures and release hydrogen at high temperatures (like vehicle operation temperatures). These hydrides come in forms like LiBH4 or NH3BH3. The two problems concerning researchers in this field are a.) finding high storage density hydrides that release in the correct temperature window and that b.) release hydrogen fast enough. This is really the bottleneck &#8211; once a material is found that satisfies these parameters, the hydrogen revolution will almost inevitably continue. </p>
<p>A quick reply to the article and other comments: the infrastructure doesn&#8217;t exist because hydrogen vehicles are not yet practical. Once the technology is found to make hydrogen vehicles practical and cheap, the infrastructure will come about quite naturally. </p>
<p>As for hydrogen generation, many interesting renewable methods are being developed to do it via H2O electrolysis with solar power and excess wind-power. But like I said earlier, the driving force right now is still on finding a solution to hydrogen storage, rather than these other things that we will worry about later down the road.</p>
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