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	<title>Comments on: Jack Bauer v. The U.S. Army</title>
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		<title>By: Drew</title>
		<link>http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/4404/comment-page-1#comment-8583</link>
		<dc:creator>Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 15:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hypothetical:

Your in charge of a platoon during the Viet Nam war.  You get a call on the radio that another platoon a mile away has been caught in an ambush and you have to get their to save them.  If you don&#039;t, they will all likely be killed.  

The problem is the mindfield between you and them.  A local farmer knows the way through but he&#039;s not willing to tell you (he doesn&#039;t like Americans).

You could hold a gun to his head...that would get him to talk (torture).  A couple of broken fingers would get him to talk as well (torture).  Either of those solutions WOULD save 20 American lives.  

As an officer in the Army, you can&#039;t do either.  You asked the farmer to help, he said &#039;NO&#039;.  

What can you do then?  Go around, which will cost American lives...or go through, which will cost American lives.  

Don&#039;t reduce this problem to an &#039;unstable mindset&#039; amongst cadets.  When the popular opinion is that torture is okay at certain times, then everyone will start to believe it, cadets included.  From the situation I just described, it&#039;s not a stretch to say that a lot of people would start breaking civilian&#039;s fingers in certain situations.

Now, if you take that situation and put it on one of the most popular TV shows in American...and Jack Bauer starts breaking the fingers of a terrorist, it&#039;s not unreasonable to sway public opinion towards torture.

Cadets don&#039;t believe that 24 is &#039;real&#039;, and they certainly don&#039;t have an unstable mindset.  But, they are people with opinions that can change. 

And by the way, the Army didn&#039;t need to talk to Sly about the Rambo movies.  It&#039;s hard to convince a cadet...or anyone, that running through a camp of 100 North Veitnamese with an M-60 at your hip is anything short of suicide.

- Drew
West Point class of &#039;97.</description>
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<p>Your in charge of a platoon during the Viet Nam war.  You get a call on the radio that another platoon a mile away has been caught in an ambush and you have to get their to save them.  If you don&#8217;t, they will all likely be killed.  </p>
<p>The problem is the mindfield between you and them.  A local farmer knows the way through but he&#8217;s not willing to tell you (he doesn&#8217;t like Americans).</p>
<p>You could hold a gun to his head&#8230;that would get him to talk (torture).  A couple of broken fingers would get him to talk as well (torture).  Either of those solutions WOULD save 20 American lives.  </p>
<p>As an officer in the Army, you can&#8217;t do either.  You asked the farmer to help, he said &#8216;NO&#8217;.  </p>
<p>What can you do then?  Go around, which will cost American lives&#8230;or go through, which will cost American lives.  </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t reduce this problem to an &#8216;unstable mindset&#8217; amongst cadets.  When the popular opinion is that torture is okay at certain times, then everyone will start to believe it, cadets included.  From the situation I just described, it&#8217;s not a stretch to say that a lot of people would start breaking civilian&#8217;s fingers in certain situations.</p>
<p>Now, if you take that situation and put it on one of the most popular TV shows in American&#8230;and Jack Bauer starts breaking the fingers of a terrorist, it&#8217;s not unreasonable to sway public opinion towards torture.</p>
<p>Cadets don&#8217;t believe that 24 is &#8216;real&#8217;, and they certainly don&#8217;t have an unstable mindset.  But, they are people with opinions that can change. </p>
<p>And by the way, the Army didn&#8217;t need to talk to Sly about the Rambo movies.  It&#8217;s hard to convince a cadet&#8230;or anyone, that running through a camp of 100 North Veitnamese with an M-60 at your hip is anything short of suicide.</p>
<p>- Drew<br />
West Point class of &#8216;97.</p>
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		<title>By: n2y2</title>
		<link>http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/4404/comment-page-1#comment-8511</link>
		<dc:creator>n2y2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 20:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did the army visit Silvester Stallone about the Rambo movies?  

Cadets might have gotten the impression that they could shoot two M-16&#039;s simultaneously (one on each arm) while taking on the entire army of a third-world county and carrying a wounded buddy?  Do they get a lot of copy-cats for that?

I watch 24 religiously, but much of it stretches credulity so far that I laugh at the army suits for taking it seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did the army visit Silvester Stallone about the Rambo movies?  </p>
<p>Cadets might have gotten the impression that they could shoot two M-16&#8217;s simultaneously (one on each arm) while taking on the entire army of a third-world county and carrying a wounded buddy?  Do they get a lot of copy-cats for that?</p>
<p>I watch 24 religiously, but much of it stretches credulity so far that I laugh at the army suits for taking it seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: punkinsmom</title>
		<link>http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/4404/comment-page-1#comment-8506</link>
		<dc:creator>punkinsmom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 19:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, I&#039;m with you on this. Being able to tell the difference between real and fake seems important for someone who will be charged with the use of deadly weapons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, I&#8217;m with you on this. Being able to tell the difference between real and fake seems important for someone who will be charged with the use of deadly weapons.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve S</title>
		<link>http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/4404/comment-page-1#comment-8500</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like the show or not, it is fantasy. Not reality. I have more concern with the fact that there are cadets who don&#039;t know the difference. Not a stable mindset for starting a military career.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like the show or not, it is fantasy. Not reality. I have more concern with the fact that there are cadets who don&#8217;t know the difference. Not a stable mindset for starting a military career.</p>
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		<title>By: jan</title>
		<link>http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/4404/comment-page-1#comment-8495</link>
		<dc:creator>jan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seriously, don&#039;t wait to watch The Wire.  24 kinda sucks after season 1, but The Wire is quality through all 4 seasons (so far).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously, don&#8217;t wait to watch The Wire.  24 kinda sucks after season 1, but The Wire is quality through all 4 seasons (so far).</p>
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