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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/45718/comment-page-2#comment-435789</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 May 2011 01:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Imperative+adjective is grammatically legal if elliptical. &quot;Eat that which is fresh&quot; is shortened through the magical power of ellipsis, the grammatical purpose of which is to eliminate redundancy. So instead of a bulky slogan, we are left with an imperative to consumers that they eschew that which is stale, dead or withered, and instead elect to eat fresh. As for the &quot;Think different&quot; ad campaign, the verb in the imperative is a manipulative technique to trigger your blind obedience to worship in their cult of consumerism by thinking &quot;new&quot; and thinking &quot;innovative&quot;-- ladies, gentlemen, and cult members, I want you to join with me now and think~different! Nowhere in this usage is the adverb form necessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imperative+adjective is grammatically legal if elliptical. &#8220;Eat that which is fresh&#8221; is shortened through the magical power of ellipsis, the grammatical purpose of which is to eliminate redundancy. So instead of a bulky slogan, we are left with an imperative to consumers that they eschew that which is stale, dead or withered, and instead elect to eat fresh. As for the &#8220;Think different&#8221; ad campaign, the verb in the imperative is a manipulative technique to trigger your blind obedience to worship in their cult of consumerism by thinking &#8220;new&#8221; and thinking &#8220;innovative&#8221;&#8211; ladies, gentlemen, and cult members, I want you to join with me now and think~different! Nowhere in this usage is the adverb form necessary.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2011 07:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He ran fast. He ran quick. He quick ate before running. He ate fast to go to work quick. The meanings are clear, wether you add the -ly or not. The particular shade of meaning can be clarified by changing word order.

The etymology of adjective literally means &quot;throw to&quot;. An adjective in its original meaning is any word that &quot;throws&quot; additional meaning to another word that needs clarification, wether it be a verb, noun, pronoun, or other adjective. To distinguish adverbs from adjectives is completely unnecessary. So is modifying &quot;unnecessary&quot; with &quot;completely&quot;. It adds no additional value, like most adverbs.

English is one of the most redundant languages in the world, where anyone can say something wordy and sound like they are saying something meaningful, even if it&#039;s meaningless chatter. Adverbs are a pretentious addition, like definite and indefinite articles. There are other ways to say the same things, that are as clear or clearer than using adverbs and articles. 

 Only your education in a pretentious grammatical system causes your reaction of distaste and horror. You assume necessity concerning things to which you are accustomed, as do we all.

One of the most ridiculous things I hear in English is &quot;hilariously funny&quot;. Hilarious already means &quot;very funny&quot;; people could say &quot;hilarious&quot; alone, and no one would miss a beat. 

As for your assertions concerning &quot;think different&quot; and &quot;eat fresh&quot;, if you knew anything about English grammar, you&#039;d know that &quot;different&quot; and &quot;fresh&quot; are being used as nominal adjectives, as in statements like, &quot;out with the old, in with the new&quot;, which is correct grammar. Just like &quot;eat fresh&quot; and &quot;think different&quot;. A nominal adjective is an adjective used like a noun. The adjective is being used as a tenuous noun, to allow for a range of subjective interpretations.

Rules of grammar differ from language to language. Slavic languages rarely use definite or indefinite articles, and German rarely uses adjective/adverb distinctions. Things like euphony and structural limitation determine grammar, not some set of arbitrary standards. 

For example, I&#039;m creating a conlang that makes no use of indefinite or definite articles, and that doesn&#039;t have a class of adverbs separate from adjectives. I was using -a as an adjectival suffix and -e as an adverbial suffix, but realized that like the -e in German words, speakers would inevitably pronounce the -e as an A. I also realized that it sounds better and there is no problem understanding sentences without adverbial distinctions. If everyone pronounced -e like -a, there would be no structural difference between adjectives and adverbs anyways, so to create an adverb class for my language would be pointless. It would be a theoretical grammatical class only apparent on paper.

We don&#039;t need an adverb class in English grammar. Good riddance. If English is to be a truly global language, it needs to omit lavish redundancies, which is what is REALLY happening when you hear &quot;flat adverbs&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He ran fast. He ran quick. He quick ate before running. He ate fast to go to work quick. The meanings are clear, wether you add the -ly or not. The particular shade of meaning can be clarified by changing word order.</p>
<p>The etymology of adjective literally means &#8220;throw to&#8221;. An adjective in its original meaning is any word that &#8220;throws&#8221; additional meaning to another word that needs clarification, wether it be a verb, noun, pronoun, or other adjective. To distinguish adverbs from adjectives is completely unnecessary. So is modifying &#8220;unnecessary&#8221; with &#8220;completely&#8221;. It adds no additional value, like most adverbs.</p>
<p>English is one of the most redundant languages in the world, where anyone can say something wordy and sound like they are saying something meaningful, even if it&#8217;s meaningless chatter. Adverbs are a pretentious addition, like definite and indefinite articles. There are other ways to say the same things, that are as clear or clearer than using adverbs and articles. </p>
<p> Only your education in a pretentious grammatical system causes your reaction of distaste and horror. You assume necessity concerning things to which you are accustomed, as do we all.</p>
<p>One of the most ridiculous things I hear in English is &#8220;hilariously funny&#8221;. Hilarious already means &#8220;very funny&#8221;; people could say &#8220;hilarious&#8221; alone, and no one would miss a beat. </p>
<p>As for your assertions concerning &#8220;think different&#8221; and &#8220;eat fresh&#8221;, if you knew anything about English grammar, you&#8217;d know that &#8220;different&#8221; and &#8220;fresh&#8221; are being used as nominal adjectives, as in statements like, &#8220;out with the old, in with the new&#8221;, which is correct grammar. Just like &#8220;eat fresh&#8221; and &#8220;think different&#8221;. A nominal adjective is an adjective used like a noun. The adjective is being used as a tenuous noun, to allow for a range of subjective interpretations.</p>
<p>Rules of grammar differ from language to language. Slavic languages rarely use definite or indefinite articles, and German rarely uses adjective/adverb distinctions. Things like euphony and structural limitation determine grammar, not some set of arbitrary standards. </p>
<p>For example, I&#8217;m creating a conlang that makes no use of indefinite or definite articles, and that doesn&#8217;t have a class of adverbs separate from adjectives. I was using -a as an adjectival suffix and -e as an adverbial suffix, but realized that like the -e in German words, speakers would inevitably pronounce the -e as an A. I also realized that it sounds better and there is no problem understanding sentences without adverbial distinctions. If everyone pronounced -e like -a, there would be no structural difference between adjectives and adverbs anyways, so to create an adverb class for my language would be pointless. It would be a theoretical grammatical class only apparent on paper.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t need an adverb class in English grammar. Good riddance. If English is to be a truly global language, it needs to omit lavish redundancies, which is what is REALLY happening when you hear &#8220;flat adverbs&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Gabe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gabe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 15:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ban the flat adverb?

No.

And I&#039;m sure you use flat adverbs on a daily basis and don&#039;t even know it.

So . . . no.

Let&#039;s leave it as it is, please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ban the flat adverb?</p>
<p>No.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m sure you use flat adverbs on a daily basis and don&#8217;t even know it.</p>
<p>So . . . no.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s leave it as it is, please.</p>
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		<title>By: Stefan Thiesen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stefan Thiesen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 10:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am wondering if the Apple slogan uses an adverb in the first place. Grammatically it means Think &quot;different&quot;. So I am thinking &quot;different, different, different...&quot;. With Eat &quot;fresh&quot; the situation becomes more complicated. What is a &quot;fresh&quot;?. Alternatively this might be a Germanism, and what they really wanted to say was &quot;Eat Frech&quot;, frech meaning &quot;naughty&quot;.

@Carol: you have my sympathy. I am writing for international, British, Irish and US markets, and the language situation (and diversion) gets increasingly confusing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am wondering if the Apple slogan uses an adverb in the first place. Grammatically it means Think &#8220;different&#8221;. So I am thinking &#8220;different, different, different&#8230;&#8221;. With Eat &#8220;fresh&#8221; the situation becomes more complicated. What is a &#8220;fresh&#8221;?. Alternatively this might be a Germanism, and what they really wanted to say was &#8220;Eat Frech&#8221;, frech meaning &#8220;naughty&#8221;.</p>
<p>@Carol: you have my sympathy. I am writing for international, British, Irish and US markets, and the language situation (and diversion) gets increasingly confusing.</p>
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		<title>By: Carol C</title>
		<link>http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/45718/comment-page-2#comment-376513</link>
		<dc:creator>Carol C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2010 13:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The death of the adverb is especially annoying to those of us who teach and write technical documentation. Bad grammar is everywhere, but I don&#039;t want to hear or see it in advertising, on major network nightly news, NPR, or on traffic banners &quot;Drive Safe.&quot; In an interview on NPR last week I heard &quot;People who are living in Arizona illegal.&quot; No wonder adverbs are dying - our role models display the worst error for the public to follow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The death of the adverb is especially annoying to those of us who teach and write technical documentation. Bad grammar is everywhere, but I don&#8217;t want to hear or see it in advertising, on major network nightly news, NPR, or on traffic banners &#8220;Drive Safe.&#8221; In an interview on NPR last week I heard &#8220;People who are living in Arizona illegal.&#8221; No wonder adverbs are dying &#8211; our role models display the worst error for the public to follow.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/45718/comment-page-2#comment-291725</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 01:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Outback Steakhouse.

Live Adventurous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Outback Steakhouse.</p>
<p>Live Adventurous.</p>
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		<title>By: schizoid</title>
		<link>http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/45718/comment-page-2#comment-290719</link>
		<dc:creator>schizoid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 09:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;*sigh* Some of you are still upset we donâ€™t speak like the King James Version of the Bible. Just because language is evolving doesnâ€™t mean itâ€™s devolving.

â€œDidsâ€™t thou thinketh?â€&quot;

That would be &quot;Didst thou think?&quot; or &quot;Thinkest thou?&quot;

&quot;Thinketh&quot; is third person singular.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;*sigh* Some of you are still upset we donâ€™t speak like the King James Version of the Bible. Just because language is evolving doesnâ€™t mean itâ€™s devolving.</p>
<p>â€œDidsâ€™t thou thinketh?â€&#8221;</p>
<p>That would be &#8220;Didst thou think?&#8221; or &#8220;Thinkest thou?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Thinketh&#8221; is third person singular.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/45718/comment-page-2#comment-290707</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 08:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s actually a good reason to avoid most adverbs in fiction writing, at least if you write action.  Adverbs are a sign of weak, passive language (as a general rule).  It is almost always possible to find a stronger verb that conveys a more immediate action than you get from a weak verb with an adverb (e.g., not only is &quot;rushed&quot; stronger than &quot;walked quickly&quot;, but so too such sentences as &quot;He hammered the victim&quot; as opposed to &quot;He strongly hit the victim&quot;).

The other reason this is important is for variety.  If you use simple verbs with adverbs, your writing will become repetitious.  If all your characters do is &quot;run&quot; modified by &quot;quickly&quot;, &quot;slowly&quot;, &quot;haphazardly&quot;, etc., they are still &quot;running&quot; each time.  On the other hand, if they &quot;sprint&quot;, &quot;mosey&quot;, and &quot;meander&quot; you&#039;ve got the exact same concepts conveyed with new words each time, and therefore your story gets more mileage before it becomes stale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s actually a good reason to avoid most adverbs in fiction writing, at least if you write action.  Adverbs are a sign of weak, passive language (as a general rule).  It is almost always possible to find a stronger verb that conveys a more immediate action than you get from a weak verb with an adverb (e.g., not only is &#8220;rushed&#8221; stronger than &#8220;walked quickly&#8221;, but so too such sentences as &#8220;He hammered the victim&#8221; as opposed to &#8220;He strongly hit the victim&#8221;).</p>
<p>The other reason this is important is for variety.  If you use simple verbs with adverbs, your writing will become repetitious.  If all your characters do is &#8220;run&#8221; modified by &#8220;quickly&#8221;, &#8220;slowly&#8221;, &#8220;haphazardly&#8221;, etc., they are still &#8220;running&#8221; each time.  On the other hand, if they &#8220;sprint&#8221;, &#8220;mosey&#8221;, and &#8220;meander&#8221; you&#8217;ve got the exact same concepts conveyed with new words each time, and therefore your story gets more mileage before it becomes stale.</p>
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		<title>By: Cowboy</title>
		<link>http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/45718/comment-page-1#comment-290567</link>
		<dc:creator>Cowboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 04:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With ya for the most part.

&quot;Eat fresh&quot; doesn&#039;t employ an adverb, or a &quot;flat adverb&quot;, however. The phrase is entirely grammatically correct. It&#039;s an elision. It means &quot;Eat fresh (things)&quot;, with the word things being elided. That&#039;s okay grammatically.

&quot;Think different&quot;, however, is a valid of example of your complaint. And it&#039;s a funny one, given how snobbish Apple&#039;s cultivated image is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With ya for the most part.</p>
<p>&#8220;Eat fresh&#8221; doesn&#8217;t employ an adverb, or a &#8220;flat adverb&#8221;, however. The phrase is entirely grammatically correct. It&#8217;s an elision. It means &#8220;Eat fresh (things)&#8221;, with the word things being elided. That&#8217;s okay grammatically.</p>
<p>&#8220;Think different&#8221;, however, is a valid of example of your complaint. And it&#8217;s a funny one, given how snobbish Apple&#8217;s cultivated image is.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a creative writing teacher tell me that adverbs should be eliminated from your writing because they remove subtlety. Especially when added to modifiers like &quot;he said&quot; and &quot;she said&quot;. She basically made it seem like adverbs were the death of a manuscript. I use them sparingly within the manuscript, but never with he said/she said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a creative writing teacher tell me that adverbs should be eliminated from your writing because they remove subtlety. Especially when added to modifiers like &#8220;he said&#8221; and &#8220;she said&#8221;. She basically made it seem like adverbs were the death of a manuscript. I use them sparingly within the manuscript, but never with he said/she said.</p>
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