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		<title>By: jenni</title>
		<link>http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/6913/comment-page-1#comment-18274</link>
		<dc:creator>jenni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey doc, i live in aiken. we have a krispy kreme?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey doc, i live in aiken. we have a krispy kreme?</p>
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		<title>By: John Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/6913/comment-page-1#comment-18246</link>
		<dc:creator>John Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 18:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You should see the traffic lights along HWY 78 near Stone Mountain Park north or north-east of Atlanta. You have multiple lanes and eacg lane has a light. The confusing part is some of the middle lanes are subject to change of direction and all of the lights are as follows: green is a green arrow pointing down. Red is a red X. Some of the red lights flash when activated with a strobe light. Some of the turn lanes are marked by a white right or left turn arrow. As i said the middle lanes can be used by both directions of travel. I don&#039;t believe these guys have heard the old saying: &quot; if its not broke, don&#039;t fix it!&quot;. All of the surrounding neighborhoods and roads off of HWY 78 use the standard red, yellow, green lights. You can get used to it but for first timers.........LOOK OUT!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should see the traffic lights along HWY 78 near Stone Mountain Park north or north-east of Atlanta. You have multiple lanes and eacg lane has a light. The confusing part is some of the middle lanes are subject to change of direction and all of the lights are as follows: green is a green arrow pointing down. Red is a red X. Some of the red lights flash when activated with a strobe light. Some of the turn lanes are marked by a white right or left turn arrow. As i said the middle lanes can be used by both directions of travel. I don&#8217;t believe these guys have heard the old saying: &#8221; if its not broke, don&#8217;t fix it!&#8221;. All of the surrounding neighborhoods and roads off of HWY 78 use the standard red, yellow, green lights. You can get used to it but for first timers&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;LOOK OUT!</p>
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		<title>By: Doc</title>
		<link>http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/6913/comment-page-1#comment-18233</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 12:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julie of Augusta,

It&#039;s the same in Aiken, as I&#039;m sure you know. I was told when I first came here that if the traffic island was round you could continue your turn - if it was square you had to wait for the light to change.

I currently ignore all these instructions and continue my turn, after coming to a full stop, if there is no oncoming traffic. So far I haven&#039;t been busted, but I suppose that&#039;s just a matter of time and how many Krispy Kremes the traffic cop has consumed.

Will make an interesting trial, I expect.

Doc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julie of Augusta,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the same in Aiken, as I&#8217;m sure you know. I was told when I first came here that if the traffic island was round you could continue your turn &#8211; if it was square you had to wait for the light to change.</p>
<p>I currently ignore all these instructions and continue my turn, after coming to a full stop, if there is no oncoming traffic. So far I haven&#8217;t been busted, but I suppose that&#8217;s just a matter of time and how many Krispy Kremes the traffic cop has consumed.</p>
<p>Will make an interesting trial, I expect.</p>
<p>Doc</p>
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		<title>By: cousin</title>
		<link>http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/6913/comment-page-1#comment-18191</link>
		<dc:creator>cousin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 20:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know what Jim means, there&#039;s lots of traffic lights like that in my hometown around train tracks, to clear out the little area between the tracks and the intersection.  But wouldn&#039;t the timing be switched, i.e. the one closest would be red first?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know what Jim means, there&#8217;s lots of traffic lights like that in my hometown around train tracks, to clear out the little area between the tracks and the intersection.  But wouldn&#8217;t the timing be switched, i.e. the one closest would be red first?</p>
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		<title>By: Melted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 18:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say about 3 weeks ago I was driving through this exact intersection. I thought maybe there was an electrical problem because a police officer stopped an put his lights on. It turns out he was doing that for his benefit. Well needless to say I eventually ended up making an illegal right turn on red and moved on. But this article brought back so many bad memories.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say about 3 weeks ago I was driving through this exact intersection. I thought maybe there was an electrical problem because a police officer stopped an put his lights on. It turns out he was doing that for his benefit. Well needless to say I eventually ended up making an illegal right turn on red and moved on. But this article brought back so many bad memories.</p>
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		<title>By: Becky</title>
		<link>http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/6913/comment-page-1#comment-18148</link>
		<dc:creator>Becky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:16:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julie - New Orleans has the same arrangement of grass islands and another light that is usually red once you&#039;ve started the left turn.  The local custom is to stop if there is oncoming traffic (obviously), but continue with the left turn if either no one is coming or the space in the center of the intersection gets too crowded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julie &#8211; New Orleans has the same arrangement of grass islands and another light that is usually red once you&#8217;ve started the left turn.  The local custom is to stop if there is oncoming traffic (obviously), but continue with the left turn if either no one is coming or the space in the center of the intersection gets too crowded.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The streelight system in downtown Augusta GA bothers me every time I drive through. Picture two lovely tree-lined lanes, separated by islands that run the length of the street. Each intersection has a traffic light. But - the trick is when you are turning left, you are confronted with another light that is, of course, red. So the dilemma is, does this light apply to you, or do you continue with your left turn? Don&#039;t even get me started with the potential for confusion with U-turns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The streelight system in downtown Augusta GA bothers me every time I drive through. Picture two lovely tree-lined lanes, separated by islands that run the length of the street. Each intersection has a traffic light. But &#8211; the trick is when you are turning left, you are confronted with another light that is, of course, red. So the dilemma is, does this light apply to you, or do you continue with your left turn? Don&#8217;t even get me started with the potential for confusion with U-turns.</p>
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		<title>By: eduo</title>
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		<dc:creator>eduo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed. Jim&#039;s explanation is so much better than my own attempt (which was lost as a comment and that&#039;s probably for the best).

In Europe stree lights are usually like this. You&#039;re instructed when getting a driver&#039;s license that the street light that applies to you is the closest one. Using the one across the street (or seeing when the other one turns red) is a recipe for disaster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed. Jim&#8217;s explanation is so much better than my own attempt (which was lost as a comment and that&#8217;s probably for the best).</p>
<p>In Europe stree lights are usually like this. You&#8217;re instructed when getting a driver&#8217;s license that the street light that applies to you is the closest one. Using the one across the street (or seeing when the other one turns red) is a recipe for disaster.</p>
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		<title>By: eduo</title>
		<link>http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/6913/comment-page-1#comment-18100</link>
		<dc:creator>eduo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 07:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People coming to Europe usually have this reaction. I think it comes from a lifetime of seeing the faraway streetlight instead of the closest one.

Mexico and the US (and I expect most of America) usually follow the route that an intersection of two streets has only two &quot;flows&quot; of traffic to control.

In Europe in reality there is a possible flow for every corner in an intersection.

In your typical two-street crossing this means in America (continent, not country) you&#039;d have two sets of street lights. In Europe it means the same crossing would have four street lights, each with its own timing.

Why is this? This really is supposed to make things easier, especially for pedestrians. In America it&#039;s common to cut-off the pedestrian light crossing time to synchronize it with the main flows of traffic. In Europe the main flow can be split and traffic sent down one way stopped while the other way could still have a green light.

In reality it makes no difference. You can drive in both. It&#039;s true, though, that in both you&#039;re supposed to use the streetlight you have closest to you (which is usually the one almost above you, not the one in the opposite corner). We do this wrong in all places and that&#039;s the reason it is jarring to see this.

Paying attention to the furthest streetlight is as bad driving as starting to roll when what we think is the opposite light turns yellow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People coming to Europe usually have this reaction. I think it comes from a lifetime of seeing the faraway streetlight instead of the closest one.</p>
<p>Mexico and the US (and I expect most of America) usually follow the route that an intersection of two streets has only two &#8220;flows&#8221; of traffic to control.</p>
<p>In Europe in reality there is a possible flow for every corner in an intersection.</p>
<p>In your typical two-street crossing this means in America (continent, not country) you&#8217;d have two sets of street lights. In Europe it means the same crossing would have four street lights, each with its own timing.</p>
<p>Why is this? This really is supposed to make things easier, especially for pedestrians. In America it&#8217;s common to cut-off the pedestrian light crossing time to synchronize it with the main flows of traffic. In Europe the main flow can be split and traffic sent down one way stopped while the other way could still have a green light.</p>
<p>In reality it makes no difference. You can drive in both. It&#8217;s true, though, that in both you&#8217;re supposed to use the streetlight you have closest to you (which is usually the one almost above you, not the one in the opposite corner). We do this wrong in all places and that&#8217;s the reason it is jarring to see this.</p>
<p>Paying attention to the furthest streetlight is as bad driving as starting to roll when what we think is the opposite light turns yellow.</p>
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		<title>By: David Serry</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Serry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 02:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim is correct.</description>
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